Posts by The Dragon

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Should suicidal or self destructive people have free will?

by The Dragon in

been going through my head lately....if you try to prevent them from doing what they want...they see you as the enemy...but are you?.

if you take away their freedom to do so.....are they no longer free?

will they hate you...or thank you when they come to their senses?.

The Dragon

Good point MMD!

They are working for their money and don't even realize it? Are they still a victim or is the predator really the victim unbeknownst to them?

that is pretty deep MMD....

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Are Jehovah's Witnesses a Dangerous Cult?

by UnDisfellowshipped in

" (quote from the watchtower, august 1st, 2001, page 14).

(quote from the watchtower, december 1st, 1981 issue, page 27).

(quote from the watchtower, december 1st, 1990 issue, page 19).

I am sure they would never say sucha thing about themselves..and their competetiors are going to insist they are to try to get you to follow them...Oops...looks like you may have to do your own research and draw your own conclusion and answer to that..or risk being decieved by your chosen leaders and the things they tell you.

Isn't freedom of choice fun?

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Should suicidal or self destructive people have free will?

by The Dragon in

been going through my head lately....if you try to prevent them from doing what they want...they see you as the enemy...but are you?.

if you take away their freedom to do so.....are they no longer free?

will they hate you...or thank you when they come to their senses?.

The Dragon

I don't mean to change the subject...but your points have put this question in my mind...and I cannot start a new topic for awhile...

I am not talking about revenge.....I am talking of misleading or preying on someone for money, control, or power over them...whether you use a gun, knife, or simply outsmart them to get what you want from them.

Should we continue to have the right to do this if we choose? Is there anything good or productive to be gained by preying on others in any fashion?

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Medals & Trophies

by SilverNyte in

when i became a jw and started getting serious about it, i discovered that i should throw all my medals and trophies out.

it was such a long time ago and i don't remember why now.

could someone explain to me why i had to do that?

The Dragon

Do they also command their followers to throw away their Diplomas and degrees as well? WTF?

I cannot believe people fall for their crap as easy as they do.

That is a really brillant command....perhaps they need to write a Awake this week to warn high school kids to drop out of school right before graduation so they will not recieve an idol called a diploma.

Mercy....

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Should suicidal or self destructive people have free will?

by The Dragon in

been going through my head lately....if you try to prevent them from doing what they want...they see you as the enemy...but are you?.

if you take away their freedom to do so.....are they no longer free?

will they hate you...or thank you when they come to their senses?.

The Dragon

All very good points...I feel just like you sometimes MMD...

FHN...I understand what you are saying too....that we are shaped by our past experineces..and those in control at that time.....can we blame a person for being self destructive who was someones prey earlier in their life...or do they become responsible for the after effects of their crime instead of their victim? (who leaves victims as well when they take their lives for relief from the pain)

Should we have the right to hurt or prey upon others if we choose or want to? Or should that right/freedom be revoked for the greater good of mankind?

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will my Mom be in some big trouble?

by freebird2000 in

it has been 13 years since i flew the coop,so i am not sure what changes or might i say new insight has come about.. here is the problem.

my mom who has been a witness for 18 years and is 73 years old has lymphoma of the brain.. in order to have a chance at all she is taking chemo and has decided to accept blood platlets.. she is still a loyal j.w.

and nothing has changed to her.she understands what she is doing but evidently thinks it won't matter.. under these circumstances does anyone know what or if they will take disciplinary action?.

The Dragon

Does it matter what the FDS thinks? Or does she view their opinion and wishes as God's?

Seems a shame to have your coinscience hurt by going against the wishes of a group of people who really have no clue what God wishes or wants...just claim to and get away with it..

Day and night you hurt thinking you went against God...and really you never did..it was them who forbid you who REALLY did!

Wouldn't that be a trip?

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Should suicidal or self destructive people have free will?

by The Dragon in

been going through my head lately....if you try to prevent them from doing what they want...they see you as the enemy...but are you?.

if you take away their freedom to do so.....are they no longer free?

will they hate you...or thank you when they come to their senses?.

The Dragon

FHN....When you think about it.........really think......is there a difference?

They are still hurting and endangering others by their decisions and choices....the ones who care about them are the ones they hurt the most too...Would they still do it...someone proved it to them?

If they did....what does that say about them and their true feeling towards those who care about and those they claim to care about in return? Does their continued bad choices prove them to be weak, liars, or self-centered?

What cases is this not true in P?

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Should suicidal or self destructive people have free will?

by The Dragon in

been going through my head lately....if you try to prevent them from doing what they want...they see you as the enemy...but are you?.

if you take away their freedom to do so.....are they no longer free?

will they hate you...or thank you when they come to their senses?.

The Dragon

The suicidal person cares more about their wishes than the effects their behavior has on those who love and care about them.....

Good point P.....

It could almost be said...that a suicidal person if allow to carry out their plan....could become a murderer when a person who loved or depended upon them followed their example to deal with the pain their loss brought upon them....

Wow...I had never thought that far ahead on the subject.....what if The person asked all their loved ones for permission first...would it be ok then....or should they just sneak off before anyone realizes their plan?

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The Whole WTS is a corrupt bunch of lying false prophets!!

by cultswatter in

this topic has been talked about before but it is worth mentioning again.

the revelation grand climax book is currently being studied ar the book studies world wide (4th time) usually on tuesday nights.

at the book study the jws are force fed false doctrine by the wts evil slave class.

The Dragon

They simply continue to present their guesses as new information and facts recieved in private to those God has choosen to be your leaders and whom you should be obeying without question.

Same old song and dance....and we have no way of discerning otherwise or proving otherwise other than the things they say and foretell not coming true. Even if a someone was given the divine answers to our questions and information on what it to come....how would we even know for certain they were not just presenting their personal guesses as God's words like everyone else is?

I don't see how we could tell the difference..

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Should suicidal or self destructive people have free will?

by The Dragon in

been going through my head lately....if you try to prevent them from doing what they want...they see you as the enemy...but are you?.

if you take away their freedom to do so.....are they no longer free?

will they hate you...or thank you when they come to their senses?.

The Dragon

The person(s) who take on a job like that..trying to stop people from doing things like that to themselves and others...put themselves at great risk and care very little about their personal well-being..almost to the point of being self-destructive themselves in doing so.

How do you tell the person who is trying to help by restraining you...from the ones who are restraining/hindering you to further themselves and their personal plans? THAT is the question.

Both will be claiming to be doing so for your best interest (ie. watchtower and their rules and limits)

Are those rules and limit a powertrip for them......or a protection for you?

Is there ANY way to know for sure without being able to read their minds..or seeing into the future?

I can't see one...if there is.